Proud Patrol owner...kinda

[Tinus lotz]

Roy those takkies makes the pick up look as if it is batting for the oher side!!!!
why not get some 33 on there
bogey man has 2 of those and the diff is amasing !!!!

[Jules]

Gerrit when are we going to test your LC at Bainage 4x4 to see if it also drives as easy as your Patrollie lorrie

Shalom

[Gerrit Loubser]

Ja, ons moet 'n plan maak.

[Alex Roux]

It's true that a Troll makes many obstacles too easy .

Gerrit, I am interested in what you think about this:
Two bakkies, one Patrol and one LC. Both Stock standard, Both 4.2 NA engines. Same drvier and same obstacle.
Is it all even?

In this case, Roy's dad drove the car for the first time, so one can also not put a finger on having known the car and hence knowing how to drive this particular vehicle.

[dieselfan]

Tinus you do know I'm gay??



As in happy ;). Truth be told I'm quite impressed by these tyres also after having read an article that says thin and high is better than fat. I'll start another thread for that.

Alex my dad had around 10 km with the car. I see no replies on the tyre pressure.

[ricster]

I have 33" muddies on... and run them on 2.2 bar all round. Mine is the suv, so a bit heavier than the bakkie. I may increase to 2.8 when loaded

[Alex Roux]

I see no replies on the tyre pressure.

Roy, I'm not qualified to comment on those gay (as in happy) Marie biscuits of yours!
If these were 286/75/16, I would have suggested 2.5 for tar road, but possiblty going a low as 2 (while still no load on the back).

The debate on tires being thin "versus" "fat" is one I am looking forward to.
I suspect fat remains better for sand as the area surface on the sand is key?

[Gerrit Loubser]

Gerrit, I am interested in what you think about this:
Two bakkies, one Patrol and one LC. Both Stock standard, Both 4.2 NA engines. Same drvier and same obstacle.
Is it all even?

Difficult question as it would depend on the particular obstacle to some extent. Difficult also for me to answer, as I don't know the pick-ups that well in a practical sense. In some respects I suspect the Patrol pick-up has the edge, while the Cruiser leads in others:

Patrol pick-up advantages (in terms of offroad mobility):
1) Almost indestructible drivetrain
2) Better angle of approach (20% better)
3) 15% smaller turning circle
4) Better angle of departure (but only by 3%)
5) 7% Shorter wheel base and essentially same size wheels should result in better break over angle
6) Turbo-charged motor maintains power rating to higher altitude
7) Lower height and wider track would probably mean more stability (difference probably less than 10%)
8) Shorter overall length (but only very slightly)


Cruiser pick-up advantages (in terms of offroad mobility):
1) Standard front and rear differential locks
2) 20% Lower crawling ratio, given very similar tyre sizes on the two (crawling ratio: 1st gear ratio x low range ratio x final drive ratio)
3) Smaller overall width (but not even by 4%)
4) Better ground clearance (but only by 4% and this is probably due to the Patrol's massive rear crown wheel size, as this dimension would be taken below that diff)
5) Lighter tare mass (by 6% or so)
6) Sligthly better maximum torque rating (but the motor is naturally aspirated and will lose out at altitude)


In the lists I have tried to sort of organise the points roughly in order of importance (in general).

Most times I would put my money on the Cruiser going where the Patrol can't, but that is just because of the standard front and rear diff locks. If it were not for those, I would reckon that it would be the other way around.

[Alex Roux]

Hi Gerrit

Thanks and informative.

I guess this sort of question becomes irresistable to ask from somone that sold a trol and got an cruiser.
Sorry for that!

[Gerrit Loubser]