weegbrug nonsens

[Tjaart]

Ek het al my Patrol geweeg op die brug by die site.

Hy het toe 2800kg geweeg. Dis voor alm die extras, maar onder 'n vraggie, want ons was bos toe gewees. My vriend se Hilux het op 2500kg ingekom, maar hy het reeds 'n bumper gehad, en baie extras. Ek kan nie glo hulle gee mens kak daaroor nie.

Probeer maar kalm bly. Die bliksems soek net bribes. Weegbrug vir karre en 4x4's? Bullshit

[Wynvat]

Hulle weet presies waar om te krap. Daar waar dit nie juk nie. Dis nonsens.

[Johan B]

Soos ek dit verstaan kan hulle nie die TARRA gebruik as n indikasie van hoeveel die voertuig kan weeg nie. Die TARA is slegs n lisensieering gewig en het nie veel met die toelaatbare gewig van n voertuig op openbare paaie te doen nie.

Die TARRA word bepaal deur die gewig by die fabriek te meet met al die nodige vloeistof in met +/- 10L petrol sonder enige persoon in die voertuig, dis al.(As ons dan die tenk vol maak oorskry die gewig reeds die TARRA)

Die prosess is om die gewig per as afsonderlik te weeg en te vergelyk met die toelaatbare as massa per die vervaardiger se spesifikasie vir die voorste en agterste as en dan die voetuig in geheel te weeg en te vergelyk met die GVM.

Solank die gewig onder die toelaatbare massas is, is alles in orde.

Ek sien my 99 4.2D onder die engin kap langs die wiper blade motor 4 gewig lesings op n plaatjie aangebring.

2920kg - dit is die GVM
5260kg - nie seker wat dit is nie - (ek neem aan dit is die total towing weight, voetuig en sleepwa gewig saam.)
1 - 1500kg - dit is die vorste as se toelaatbare gewig
2 - 1800kg - dit is die agterste as se toelaatbare gewig.

Ek mag verkeerd wees.....???? Kan iemand meer lig hierop werp?

[Maniac]

Daar was so paar jaar terug toe die nuwe Isuzu bakkies uitgekom het, ook 'n storie dat die bakkie se enjin so swaar is dat as daar twee 100kg mans voorin sit, die bakkie se vooras belasting te veel was. Weet nie wat daarvan geword het nie maar as ek reg onthou het Isuzu redelik pakslae gekry daaroor.

[duckitt]

More almal
daar is darm biekie lig in die tonnel en dit is dat daar n klomp reels is as dit n stasiewa is en nie komersieeel soos die trolle wat maak dat die vine van 48oo wat ek gekry het nie so geldig is nie ,ek wag nou vir die staats aanklaer om my terug voering te gee en ook n stel wette wat ek dan sal aanstuur so hou duim vas want ek is nou mooi gatvol vir die traffic dep wat nie weet waar die klok nou eintlik hang nie

[duckitt]

Die reel ronom die gewigte is dat elke as het n las massa wat beskryf word deur die vervaardeger wat hoofsaaklik vir lesensie doeleindes was wat nou ook gebruik word om oorlading te bepaal maar ook band dra gewig en die lengte van jou voertuig en wat jy sleep gemeet aan die bruk vormule en dan bepaal hulle hou diep jou #@$^%^ is . Klomp nonsens maar as my veite nou reg is mag hulle net ons karre weeg teen ooor die band dra vermoe en wat jou sleepding se plaat se en nie al die klomp @#$#$%^% nie maar as jy n bakkie het of jou reg strasie se dit is n bakkie/ of n besigheids reg maak jou maar reg vir al die goet.

[Tjaart]

Ek het Donderdag my Patrol geweeg met omtrent 90% van al my toerusting, ie dakrak, jack, drawer system, recovery kit, tent, tenks [30% vol] en vol tenk brabdstof, kampstoele en tafel, toolbokse: 3150kg . Dit was op 'n weegbrug wat sopas gekalibreer is.

Talk about heavy duty . Nou ry ek sommer stadiger ook, omdat mens daai momentum stadig stop.... willieoornanderkarrynie

[duckitt]

Die nuus wat ek voor gewag het is dat Nissan Sa partye toe gekom het met die goei nuus dat hulle ons trolle gaan her klas so manne as joune n ou shap is stuur jou besonderhede vir my op fax 0219791390 asap voor 12 Jan sodat ek n groep herklassifikasie kan laat doen , Nissan gaan solank vir ons n verklaring gee per kar wat die regte weegbrug besonderhede bevat,tot die saak deur die regte regs afdelings is om dalk nuwe plate uit teruik

die gewigte gaan nou 1500kg voor 1800kg agter en 2900kg op die kar wees en totaal GCM 5600kg wat een hengse verskil gaan maak en nader aan die waarheid is

My tel no.0837085003 as julle meer invo soek

[Abri Hoffman]

Thanks Duckit

What info do you require?

[JohnBoyZA]

Charles het gevra dat ek die wetgewing pos.
Dankie dat jy die ook veg namens ons!

From: Duckitt Security
Sent: 11 December 2009 12:47 PM
To: john@patrol4x4.co.za
Subject: Fw: Mass regulations


: Mass regulations

Hier is die wetgewing. Sien die voertuie in bold – dit is waarop die regulasie van toepassing is.

Groete

Ons val onder Reg 238 as n stasiewa!
Reg 238. Load on tyres
(1) No person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle—
(a) which is fitted with pneumatic tyres, where any wheel massload is in excess of the wheel massload referred to in the appropriate part of the standard specification SABS 1550 “Motor Vehicle Tyres and Rims: Dimensions and Loads”, Part 1: “General”, Part 2: “Passenger car tyres”, and Part 3: “Commercial vehicle tyres”; or
(b) where any pneumatic tyre is not mentioned in the standard specification referred to in paragraph (a), where the wheel massload is in excess of the wheel massload approved by the manufacturer of the tyre concerned:
Provided that for the purposes of determining the pressure in a tyre the temperature of the tyre shall be disregarded.
(2) No person shall operate on a public road any vehicle fitted with tyres, other than pneumatic tyres, if the wheel massload exceeds eight kilograms per one millimetre width of any such tyre

Manufacturer specifications
Reg 239 is safety legislation. This legislation does not protect the roads and much be understood as such.
A manufacturer is compelled in terms of reg 245 to put certain information on a goods vehicle, minibus, bus and tractor by means of metal plate.
The manufacturer has to state what the maximum capacity of the axles, axle units, vehicle and combination is. If an operator overloads above the manufacturer specifications his vehicle is unsafe, as the vehicle was not designed to carry a higher load.
The manufacturer specifications normally influence the steering axle of bigger goods vehicles and all the axles of smaller vehicles.

Reg 239. Gross vehicle mass, gross axle massload, gross axle unit massload, gross combination mass, power to mass ratio and axle massload of driving axle to total mass ratio not to be exceeded
(1) No person shall operate on a public road a mini bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle—
(a) if—
(i) the gross vehicle mass;
(ii) any gross axle massload; or
(iii) any gross axle unit massload,
is exceeded;
(b) drawing any other motor vehicle if the gross combination mass is exceeded.
(2) No person shall operate on a public road a vehicle which is a minibus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the mass in kilograms of such vehicle or of a combination of vehicles of which such first mentioned vehicle forms a part, whether laden or unladen, exceeds a figure arrived at by multiplying the net power in kilowatts of the engine of such vehicle as determined in accordance with or calculated with due regard to code of practice SABS 013 “The determination of performance (at net power) of internal combustion engines”—
(a) in the case of the drawing vehicle being a tractor by 400; or
(b) in the case of any other vehicle by 240.
(3) No person shall operate on a public road a vehicle which is a mini bus, bus, tractor or goods vehicle if the mass in kilograms of such vehicle or of a combination of vehicles of which such first mentioned vehicle forms a part, whether laden or unladen, exceeds five times the total axle massload of the driving axle or axles of such vehicle.

Reg 244. Information to be displayed on certain motor vehicles
No person shall operate on a public road a mini bus, bus or goods vehicle which, according to the registration certificate thereof was registered for the first time prior to 1 January 1989 and of which the gross vehicle mass does not exceed 3 500 kilograms, unless there is displayed in a conspicuous position on the left side thereof in letters and figures of not less than 40 millimetres in height and which shall be clearly legible at all times—
(a) the tare of such vehicle in kilograms (denoted as T);
(b) the permissible maximum vehicle mass referred to in regulation 236 in kilograms (denoted as V); and
(c) if the vehicle is used to draw any other vehicle, the permissible maximum drawing vehicle mass which shall be the least of the masses determined in terms of regulation 239(1)(b), (2) or (3) in kilograms (denoted as D/T):
Provided that if such vehicle is fitted with a plate as referred to in regulation 245, the provisions of this regulation shall not be applicable to such motor vehicle.

Reg 245. Information plates on certain vehicles
(1) No person shall operate on a public road a mini bus, bus or goods vehicle which, according to the registration certificate thereof—
(a) was registered for the first time prior to 1 January 1989 and of which the gross vehicle mass exceeds 3 500 kilograms; or
(b) was registered for the first time on or after 1 January 1989, unless the following particulars in respect of such mini bus, bus or a goods vehicle are clearly imprinted or stamped on a metal plate or plates affixed in an accessible place on a door post, under the bonnet or on the dash board of the vehicle concerned or, in the case of a trailer, on the left side thereof in any conspicuous place:
(i) The tare in kilograms (denoted as T);
(ii) the gross vehicle mass in kilograms (denoted as GVM/BVM);
(iii) the gross axle massload or gross axle unit massload of each axle or axle unit in kilograms (denoted as GA/BA and GAU/BAE, respectively);
(iv) in the case of a semi trailer the gross kingpin massload as specified by the manufacturer (denoted as GKM/BSM);
(v) the gross combination mass in kilograms (denoted as GCM/BKM) —
(aa) in the case of a vehicle that is used to draw any other vehicle; and
(bb) in the case of a breakdown vehicle registered for the first time from the date of commencement of this item; and
(vi) where applicable, the net power in kilowatts as determined in accordance with or calculated with due regard to code of practice SABS 013 “The determination of performance (at net power) of internal combustion engines;
(vii) the permissible maximum vehicle mass referred to in regulation 236 in kilograms (denoted as V): Provided that this item is not applicable in respect of a semi trailer;
(viii) the permissible maximum axle massload referred to in regulation 234 or axle unit massload referred to in regulation 235 of each axle or axle unit in kilograms (denoted as A and AU/AE, respectively); and
(ix) the permissible maximum drawing vehicle mass referred to in regulation 244(c) (denoted as D/T).
Provided that the provisions of this subregulation shall not apply to a goods vehicle the gross vehicle mass of which does not exceed 3 500 kilograms and which was registered for the first time on or after 1 January 1989, and that has fitted;
a) a metal data plate or plates affixed by rivets, or by welding, or by any other method that will achieve permanency of attachment during the life of the vehicle, in a conspicuous and readily accessible position on a part not subject to replacement, or
b) a self-adhesive tamperproof metal or plastics label that is not transferable from one vehicle to another, is clearly legible, and undergoes permanent and obvious damage on removal. The self-adhesive tamperproof label shall be resistant to engine oils, to engine coolants, to normal engine temperatures and to humidity, in a conspicuous and readily accessible position on a part not subject to replacement, with the following particulars of such goods vehicle, legibly and indelibly printed or stamped, with the following details:
i) the gross vehicle mass, in kilograms, for the model type, denoted and prefixed by the letters GVM/BVM;
ii) the gross combination mass, in kilograms, for the model type, denoted and prefixed by the letters GCM/BKM; and
iii) the gross axle mass-load of each axle, or the gross axle unit mass-load of each axle unit, in kilograms, for the model type, denoted and prefixed by the letters GA/BA or GAU/BAE, as applicable.
Provided further that if the information is supplied in the following order, the abbreviations given in i), ii) and iii) above are not required:
a) gross vehicle mass;
b) gross combination mass; and
c) gross axle masses in the order front to rear

(2) No person shall operate on a public road a tractor unless it is fitted with a metal plate on which is imprinted—
(a) the net power of the engine in kilowatts as determined in terms of code of practice SABS 013 “The determination of performance (at net power) of internal combustion engines”, Part 1: “Road vehicle internal combustion engines at sea level”, Part 2: “Compression ignition engines and altitude”, Part 3: “Agricultural vehicle internal combustion engines at sea level” (denoted as P/D);
(aA) within six months from the date of commencement of this paragraph, the tare in kilograms (denoted as T);
(b) the gross combination mass in kilograms (denoted as GCM/BKM); and
(c) the permissible maximum drawing vehicle mass referred to in regulation 244(c) (denoted as D/T):
Provided that the provisions of this subregulation shall apply—
(i) from 1 January 1993 in respect of a tractor which according to the registration certificate thereof was registered for the first time on or after 1 January 1993; and
(ii) from 1 January 1995 in respect of a tractor which according to the registration certificate thereof was registered for the first time before 1 January 1993.