Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
- ricster
- Patrolman 1000+
- Posts: 5850
- Joined: 13 Jan 2010 11:16
- Full Name: Cedric Warner
- Nickname: Cedric
- Home Town: Alberton Gauteng
- Current 4x4: '99 Nissan Patrol 4.2 Turbo Diesel
- Home Language: English
- Location: LA..... No not Los Angles ..... Lower Alberton, Gauteng
- Has thanked: 591 times
- Been thanked: 468 times
Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Evening all,
I left for Botswana on Wednesday afternoon, slept over in Mafikeng, and on Thursday morning crossed the border into Bots. 166Km into Bots on route to Werda, traveling at 127Km/h (GPS speed) there was all of a sudden a horrible noise from the engine and when I looked in the rear view mirror plumes of white smoke pouring out the exhaust!!!
Well to cut a long story short. I limped back to Alberton (Jhb)very slowly, a total of 550Km, and 15L of oil. I'm impressed that I got the Maiden back home, but was not looking forward to opening the motor!!
So Saturday morning I started stripping, suspecting a burnt piston..... well this morning I lifted the head off......
Number 2 cylinder ...in its glory. EGT Guage was showing 168 deg when the motor blew.... I am now convinced my EGT probe is faulty ( I'm trying hard to see the funny side of this!!
I was convinced that the 4.2 did not suffer with these types of problems.
So now..... I need some assistance please. I need to do a proper job, but at the most economical price and way. Unfortunately I'm a bit cash strapped after just buying the Maiden 3 weeks ago.
1) I want to replace all 6 pistons with ceramic pistons. Where do I get these and roughly how much are they? Are they readily available?
2) The block has a bit of damage. Here I know very little as to what to do. Is there a sleeve/barrel on these blocks that can be put in. If so where does one get these, and how does one do this, or who can I take it to, to do it. What would it cost?
3) When taking the diesel pump out ( I haven't yet), do I need to mark anything, for timing purposes. I don't have a manual yet ( will get that soon). If anyone can give me a step by step thing to take out the pump, I can then take out the crank and sump and get the pistons out.
Please guys, any pointers and things to watch out for ..... please let me know. I need to get the Maiden up and running ASAP !!! ....I'm going to Mocambique In one months time !!!!!
I left for Botswana on Wednesday afternoon, slept over in Mafikeng, and on Thursday morning crossed the border into Bots. 166Km into Bots on route to Werda, traveling at 127Km/h (GPS speed) there was all of a sudden a horrible noise from the engine and when I looked in the rear view mirror plumes of white smoke pouring out the exhaust!!!
Well to cut a long story short. I limped back to Alberton (Jhb)very slowly, a total of 550Km, and 15L of oil. I'm impressed that I got the Maiden back home, but was not looking forward to opening the motor!!
So Saturday morning I started stripping, suspecting a burnt piston..... well this morning I lifted the head off......
Number 2 cylinder ...in its glory. EGT Guage was showing 168 deg when the motor blew.... I am now convinced my EGT probe is faulty ( I'm trying hard to see the funny side of this!!
I was convinced that the 4.2 did not suffer with these types of problems.
So now..... I need some assistance please. I need to do a proper job, but at the most economical price and way. Unfortunately I'm a bit cash strapped after just buying the Maiden 3 weeks ago.
1) I want to replace all 6 pistons with ceramic pistons. Where do I get these and roughly how much are they? Are they readily available?
2) The block has a bit of damage. Here I know very little as to what to do. Is there a sleeve/barrel on these blocks that can be put in. If so where does one get these, and how does one do this, or who can I take it to, to do it. What would it cost?
3) When taking the diesel pump out ( I haven't yet), do I need to mark anything, for timing purposes. I don't have a manual yet ( will get that soon). If anyone can give me a step by step thing to take out the pump, I can then take out the crank and sump and get the pistons out.
Please guys, any pointers and things to watch out for ..... please let me know. I need to get the Maiden up and running ASAP !!! ....I'm going to Mocambique In one months time !!!!!
Regards
Cedric
Nissan Patrol GL 4.2 Diesel Turbo (Iron Maiden)
Nissan SANI 3.0 V6 4x4 (SOLD)
Isuzu KB 280 DT 2x4 ('ol Smokey) - SOLD
Suzuki TL 1000R "V twin" (Growler) - SOLD
Cedric
Nissan Patrol GL 4.2 Diesel Turbo (Iron Maiden)
Nissan SANI 3.0 V6 4x4 (SOLD)
Isuzu KB 280 DT 2x4 ('ol Smokey) - SOLD
Suzuki TL 1000R "V twin" (Growler) - SOLD
- Kagiso II
- Patrolman 1000+
- Posts: 3453
- Joined: 10 Jun 2009 16:58
- Full Name: Mac Mc Menamin
- Nickname: Oom Mac [Uncle Mac] [Uncle] [Oompie] Kagiso
- Home Town: BrentwoodPark, Benoni
- Current 4x4: 1982 Datsun Safari 2,8 aka LOBO; [1,300,000 Km verby !]
'99 PATROL 4,2 diesel.
2012 Jimny [SWAMBO se Kantoor-toe] - Home Language: AFRIKAANS
- Location: Benoni and wherever the Outreach takes me.
- Has thanked: 299 times
- Been thanked: 155 times
- Contact:
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Get the CD Workdhop Manual for the Ystrekoei from Oom Herrie. Spend meny hours with REAL experts and people who has DONE it - then tackle the job.
But i smell a rat - why is it everytime we go to Bots that these engines skop die emmer giv up the gost and VREK with a BANG ??? And mine was just after Ganzi - havung put Sell in [since I only do Total] and Sasol locally
BUIT - Ric, dont dispiar .. its only gagga when youre in it - the joy when it is fixed , makes up for it [vra maar vir JG]
EN ek gaan vir Lobo in 'n HUMMER se lyf inbou ... met so bietjie vrannerdinge by - meer kom ons kry eers jou ysteranteio aan die loop,
But i smell a rat - why is it everytime we go to Bots that these engines skop die emmer giv up the gost and VREK with a BANG ??? And mine was just after Ganzi - havung put Sell in [since I only do Total] and Sasol locally
BUIT - Ric, dont dispiar .. its only gagga when youre in it - the joy when it is fixed , makes up for it [vra maar vir JG]
EN ek gaan vir Lobo in 'n HUMMER se lyf inbou ... met so bietjie vrannerdinge by - meer kom ons kry eers jou ysteranteio aan die loop,
Don't bring God down to your level of faith ... bring your faith up to His level!
- Pieter du Toit
- Patrolman
- Posts: 762
- Joined: 06 May 2009 15:04
- Full Name: Pieter Joubert du Toit
- Nickname: PJ of ook Whitey
- Home Town: Welgemoed
- Current 4x4: 2002 Nissan Patrol GRX TD42T CONVERSION
- Home Language: Afrikaans
- Location: Cape Town
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Ricster,
OH KNOW - I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I AM READING HERE THIS IS AWFUL - I am really sorry to read about your loss. My stomic literally made a couple of turns when I looked at your photos - it was what I was met with as well with my 3.0l when we opened her. Not a nice reminder and not a welcome site - and definately not common on the 4.2D. You are the first person that I have heard of with a 4.2D that this has happened too. And coming to think of it - in the short period you owned Iron Maiden this can not be due to you - this problem has been looming from the previous owner already. And yes that EGT probe of yours has definately not been giving you the correct readings. But even if you had the probe replaced I don't think his would have been prevented - it is a matter of "die koeel was klaar deur die kerk".
It is a pity you stay in Gauteng - Tour de Frans and Mayhem really knows these 4.2's inside out - and Frans has just finished my 4.2 conversion. He is away this weekend but I will phone him tonight and ask him to post or pm you - I am sure he will be able to give you a good couple of pointers. I was also going to go the ceramic coated piston route if I was going to fix my 3.0L - Frans knows a place in Joburg that does it. But I think you can buy them coated already as well - not too sure.
Perhaps you should pm him and ask him for his cell no so that you can phone him. Oh yeah - and get that CD manual Uncle Mac is talking about - or the Max Ellery workshop manual (book) - it will not only be helpful know but also in future - in fact it is an investment into your vehicle.
All the best with the repairs - once Iron Maiden is running again you WILL FEEL MUCH BETTER!!!
Good luck
OH KNOW - I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I AM READING HERE THIS IS AWFUL - I am really sorry to read about your loss. My stomic literally made a couple of turns when I looked at your photos - it was what I was met with as well with my 3.0l when we opened her. Not a nice reminder and not a welcome site - and definately not common on the 4.2D. You are the first person that I have heard of with a 4.2D that this has happened too. And coming to think of it - in the short period you owned Iron Maiden this can not be due to you - this problem has been looming from the previous owner already. And yes that EGT probe of yours has definately not been giving you the correct readings. But even if you had the probe replaced I don't think his would have been prevented - it is a matter of "die koeel was klaar deur die kerk".
It is a pity you stay in Gauteng - Tour de Frans and Mayhem really knows these 4.2's inside out - and Frans has just finished my 4.2 conversion. He is away this weekend but I will phone him tonight and ask him to post or pm you - I am sure he will be able to give you a good couple of pointers. I was also going to go the ceramic coated piston route if I was going to fix my 3.0L - Frans knows a place in Joburg that does it. But I think you can buy them coated already as well - not too sure.
Perhaps you should pm him and ask him for his cell no so that you can phone him. Oh yeah - and get that CD manual Uncle Mac is talking about - or the Max Ellery workshop manual (book) - it will not only be helpful know but also in future - in fact it is an investment into your vehicle.
All the best with the repairs - once Iron Maiden is running again you WILL FEEL MUCH BETTER!!!
Good luck
Pieter du Toit
MUFASA
2002 - 2010 Patrol 3.0L TDi GRX - HANDGRANADE WENT BOOM!!
2010 TD42T GRX CONVERSION - SADLY SOLD!!
2005 4.8GRX - Ama-GluG GluG - SADLY SOLD!!
Cell no: 072 606 7007
Fax no: 086 500 9333
MUFASA
2002 - 2010 Patrol 3.0L TDi GRX - HANDGRANADE WENT BOOM!!
2010 TD42T GRX CONVERSION - SADLY SOLD!!
2005 4.8GRX - Ama-GluG GluG - SADLY SOLD!!
Cell no: 072 606 7007
Fax no: 086 500 9333
- Gerrit Loubser
- Moderator
- Posts: 851
- Joined: 07 Apr 2009 04:30
- Full Name: Gerrit Loubser
- Nickname: Gerrit Loubser
- Home Town: Richards Bay
- Current 4x4: None
- Home Language: Afrikaans
- Location: Richards Bay
- Been thanked: 11 times
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Cedric, I am so sorry to hear of your woes. I agree fully with what Pieter said: The damage was probably just about done already when you bought the car. Perhaps that one injector was not atomizing properly or was not metering correctly or perhaps the car was run for some time in the past with the injector pump overfueling.
Depending on exactly where the thermocouple is installed, an EGT gauge might or might not be very sensitive at picking up the effects of a single injector that has lost the plot, even if the EGT gauge, thermocouple and wiring are all A1.
Depending on exactly where the thermocouple is installed, an EGT gauge might or might not be very sensitive at picking up the effects of a single injector that has lost the plot, even if the EGT gauge, thermocouple and wiring are all A1.
Gerrit Loubser
2003 Land Cruiser 100 VX TD
1999 Patrol 4.5E GRX M/T ("Imvubu") - GONE; Go well Old Girl :-(
2003 Pajero 3.2 DiD LWB A/T - GONE; One of the best cars I ever had :-(
1996 Land Cruiser 80 VX 4.5 EFI A/T - SOLD
2003 Land Cruiser 100 VX TD
1999 Patrol 4.5E GRX M/T ("Imvubu") - GONE; Go well Old Girl :-(
2003 Pajero 3.2 DiD LWB A/T - GONE; One of the best cars I ever had :-(
1996 Land Cruiser 80 VX 4.5 EFI A/T - SOLD
- Russ Kellermann
- Patrolman 1000+
- Posts: 1148
- Joined: 01 Feb 2010 22:39
- Full Name: Russell Kellermann
- Nickname: Russell Kellermann
- Home Town: Cape Town now, grew up on the Wild Coast.
- Current 4x4: 2007 Patrol 4.2D Pickup
2005 Patrol 4.2TD Wagon - Home Language: English
- Has thanked: 8 times
- Been thanked: 93 times
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Jees Cedric, this is a sad day old friend. I feel sorry for you man, and it came at the worst time didn't it. But remember, if you keep positive and keep moving on it you can still have a great time in Mozambique, and that will dowse the fire burning inside you (and your engine).
:idea: Forgive me for saying this, i may be out of line here, and/wrong , but now that you gotta pull the motor and all, why dont you revert back to Normally Aspirated configuration and forget the extra 10 - 15kw on the wheels, and at the same time you can then forget about turbo boost checking,EGT's,overfueling ,underfueling ,Dyno's, Probes, and all the other issues related to turbo's. I know there are success stories out there, but in relation not as many as NA .(before people go nuts now, i can appreciate that NA motors can be over/under fuelled, but normally its a case of once everything is set to factory spec its good to go....and go,,..and go.....and go....)
Ps: you don't have to answer this, it wasn't a question , just a thought, so please don't feel like i'm grilling you.. ...I'm certainly not an "expert".
Go well bud, If you need anything sourced in CT i can help out as best i can, just ring me 083 66 22 129 ,
Cheers
Russ
:idea: Forgive me for saying this, i may be out of line here, and/wrong , but now that you gotta pull the motor and all, why dont you revert back to Normally Aspirated configuration and forget the extra 10 - 15kw on the wheels, and at the same time you can then forget about turbo boost checking,EGT's,overfueling ,underfueling ,Dyno's, Probes, and all the other issues related to turbo's. I know there are success stories out there, but in relation not as many as NA .(before people go nuts now, i can appreciate that NA motors can be over/under fuelled, but normally its a case of once everything is set to factory spec its good to go....and go,,..and go.....and go....)
Ps: you don't have to answer this, it wasn't a question , just a thought, so please don't feel like i'm grilling you.. ...I'm certainly not an "expert".
Go well bud, If you need anything sourced in CT i can help out as best i can, just ring me 083 66 22 129 ,
Cheers
Russ
'07 Patrol Pickup TD42 N/A,285's KM2,3" Lift,ONCA Bars,Warn High Mount,Alu Canopy, and some other Stuff.
-
- Patrolman
- Posts: 545
- Joined: 07 May 2009 09:14
- Full Name: Jacobus William Best
- Nickname: Kosie
- Home Town: MTUNZINI, Zululand coast
- Current 4x4: Land Rover Discovery 3 TDV6
- Home Language: TWEETALIG
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to hear about it.
Sorry to hear about it.
Koos Best(Kosie)Mtunzini Zululand
Land Rover Discovery 3 TDV6
Patrol GU 2003 3.0d GRX (SOLD 2010)
Patrol GQ 1996 4.2d ST(SOLD 2007)
Land Rover Discovery 3 TDV6
Patrol GU 2003 3.0d GRX (SOLD 2010)
Patrol GQ 1996 4.2d ST(SOLD 2007)
- ricster
- Patrolman 1000+
- Posts: 5850
- Joined: 13 Jan 2010 11:16
- Full Name: Cedric Warner
- Nickname: Cedric
- Home Town: Alberton Gauteng
- Current 4x4: '99 Nissan Patrol 4.2 Turbo Diesel
- Home Language: English
- Location: LA..... No not Los Angles ..... Lower Alberton, Gauteng
- Has thanked: 591 times
- Been thanked: 468 times
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Thanks guys.... I appreciate it.
When taking out the diesel pump, is there only one way it will go back, or do I need to mark the position of the valve timing to where the injector timing is. I want to take out the pump, crank and pistons today, but am a little uneducated as to the diesel pump side of things... guess I'm gonna learn quick hey !!
When taking out the diesel pump, is there only one way it will go back, or do I need to mark the position of the valve timing to where the injector timing is. I want to take out the pump, crank and pistons today, but am a little uneducated as to the diesel pump side of things... guess I'm gonna learn quick hey !!
Regards
Cedric
Nissan Patrol GL 4.2 Diesel Turbo (Iron Maiden)
Nissan SANI 3.0 V6 4x4 (SOLD)
Isuzu KB 280 DT 2x4 ('ol Smokey) - SOLD
Suzuki TL 1000R "V twin" (Growler) - SOLD
Cedric
Nissan Patrol GL 4.2 Diesel Turbo (Iron Maiden)
Nissan SANI 3.0 V6 4x4 (SOLD)
Isuzu KB 280 DT 2x4 ('ol Smokey) - SOLD
Suzuki TL 1000R "V twin" (Growler) - SOLD
-
- Patrolman
- Posts: 789
- Joined: 18 Aug 2009 14:52
- Full Name: JG Shields
- Nickname: JG
- Home Town: Pretoria
- Current 4x4: Toyota Land Cruiser 105 GX 4500 EFi
- Home Language: Afrikaans
- Location: Pretoria
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Cedric,
I am so sorry to hear this. I also agree with other members by saying that you bought the car with the damage already done. We hear so often about a major breakdown of a recently purchased second hand car. If I may...there is a bright side somewhere on the horizon. You will fix your car in such a way that you know what the quality of repairs were and you will drive your car with trust and calm in your heart.
Good luck!!
I am so sorry to hear this. I also agree with other members by saying that you bought the car with the damage already done. We hear so often about a major breakdown of a recently purchased second hand car. If I may...there is a bright side somewhere on the horizon. You will fix your car in such a way that you know what the quality of repairs were and you will drive your car with trust and calm in your heart.
Good luck!!
Patrol fan!
- Herrie
- Patrolman 1000+
- Posts: 2999
- Joined: 08 Apr 2009 07:17
- Full Name: Kobus Pienaar
- Nickname: Herrie
- Home Town: Kempton Park
- Current 4x4: 1999 Patrol 4500e GRX
1983 Datsun Safari - Home Language: Afrikaans
- Location: Kempton Park
- Has thanked: 55 times
- Been thanked: 93 times
Re: Iron Maiden DIED !!!! ...burnt hole in the piston
Hi Cedric, jammer om van jou probleem te hoor!!! Ek het vir jou 'n manual.
Herrie op Safari/Patrollie
1983 Safari
1999 Patrol 4500 GRX
1983 Safari
1999 Patrol 4500 GRX
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests