My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
The repairs list was extensive but Moegatle was the goal and the only way this car was going to redeem itself was to make it up Koos se Klim.
First up was the fuel tank. I tried to find a replacement long range tank but no one had any second hand so I decided to repair. We have neighbor that can weld stainless steel and he was immediately nominated. My fuel gauge also stopped working along the line so a leaking fuel tank and no indicator made things work on faith. Seems the welding on the baffles on the inside of the tank tore loose and moved around so it seems that caused my gauge to hiccup. To be honest I expected the tank to eventually leak when I installed it because I heard so many stories about long range tanks. I still have the original tank in storage but it was just not an option for me because I am not going to carry jerry cans to drive 600km. I might put one diesel jerry for a solo trip for incase something like this happens again. If you have two separate tanks fuel is carried in I don't think its necessary but I only have one Main tank.
Aircon was sorted out by our trusty scrapyard of Oom David.
Exhaust was sorted by the awesome guys at Viper.
Suspension must still be looked at but I have spoken with the guys and they sound optimistic that it is sortable.
The major issue was my cooling, after all the effort of adding oil coolers and the risks they pose to just end up worse off than where I started was just draining my battery.
So firstly I removed my intercooler, temperatures were awesome but I couldn't drive up a hill faster than 100km/h EGT's were just terrible and shot through the roof.
So I was standing one afternoon looking at the car and noticed it dripping again, thought it was the aircon... it was the radiator.
Now the radiator was almost 2 years old and had its own drama when I replaced it back then but 2 years is a bit young considering the old one did 20 years.
Seems its just a crappy built radiator and rocks and dirt got between the mounts and the core and the suspension did nothing to help so every time I hit corrugations it lost pressure and the temps shot up. So I took it out and sent it to Silverton Radiators. They cleaned it nicely, I also cleaned the intercooler and aircon condenser. I replaced the cap from 0.9 bar to a 1.1 and Reduced the antifreeze mix from a 1:2 to about 1:3 and added a bottle of waterwetter.
Next major job was to close up all the sides because since the body lift there hasn't been any rubbers in to help direct airflow under the hood.
The most crucial one is underneath the radiator where I took a bit of insertion rubber and fixed it at the front just underneath the winch plate and it is free hanging mostly past the read with a few cable ties around the front panhard of the suspension so it always has the maximum amount of gap and least amount of risk getting caught on rocks and it survived Moegatle like that with a lot of flexing so I think its a win.
I removed the bumper and printed a scoop to help force air through the oil cooler.
Now with some short term testing things look great, for the first time ever after the car gets to operating temperatures past 80 degrees it actually cools down below 80 degrees I have never seen that happen. I drove 300km on friday through traffic and lots of hills (was a bit of a cool day) I drove it very hard especially uphill keeping EGT's to about 600 and the maximum water temp I got was 98 degrees.
Now for a GQ on 35" that is very significant.
I think a Snorkel is also going to help a lot. Maybe a nicer turbo aswell but its awesome to be back at an EGT' cap instead of water temperatures.
I have made peace with the car again and do not expect the TD42 issues to disappear, I knew about the before and would probably still have gone the same route if I knew then what I know now.
I don't think I will ever be able to tow 4 ton while on 35" tires 120km/h up a hill without having to worry about the madman. Considering all the options including my driving enthusiasm I cannot think of another vehicle that will handle me like this car does.
I have made peace that I might be in unfortunate circumstances again just as I have been in the past because of the cars age and well... my driving enthusiasm but I am as well prepared to handle them as I think I can possibly be and will definitely invest in a satellite phone before my next solo vehicle trip. We did have a satellite phone on this trip just in case but luckily didn't need it.
I am very fortunate to know people close to me that can come and assist me in such situations and a great forum of guys who have helped many in such circumstances. I am also on that list to help if anyone needs it.
If you want a car that is no fuss, get in, go do these things and go to work the next day it would be a newish unmolested 4.8 auto. 250 000km or less
But that's not me, I have seriously considered getting a GU but..... there might be a chopped GQ in the future.
What ugly piece of car can go from:
To This:
BTW it did make it up Koos se Klim:
Some Awesome picks from Peter Connan, Desmond Meyburgh and Chris Vercail.
First up was the fuel tank. I tried to find a replacement long range tank but no one had any second hand so I decided to repair. We have neighbor that can weld stainless steel and he was immediately nominated. My fuel gauge also stopped working along the line so a leaking fuel tank and no indicator made things work on faith. Seems the welding on the baffles on the inside of the tank tore loose and moved around so it seems that caused my gauge to hiccup. To be honest I expected the tank to eventually leak when I installed it because I heard so many stories about long range tanks. I still have the original tank in storage but it was just not an option for me because I am not going to carry jerry cans to drive 600km. I might put one diesel jerry for a solo trip for incase something like this happens again. If you have two separate tanks fuel is carried in I don't think its necessary but I only have one Main tank.
Aircon was sorted out by our trusty scrapyard of Oom David.
Exhaust was sorted by the awesome guys at Viper.
Suspension must still be looked at but I have spoken with the guys and they sound optimistic that it is sortable.
The major issue was my cooling, after all the effort of adding oil coolers and the risks they pose to just end up worse off than where I started was just draining my battery.
So firstly I removed my intercooler, temperatures were awesome but I couldn't drive up a hill faster than 100km/h EGT's were just terrible and shot through the roof.
So I was standing one afternoon looking at the car and noticed it dripping again, thought it was the aircon... it was the radiator.
Now the radiator was almost 2 years old and had its own drama when I replaced it back then but 2 years is a bit young considering the old one did 20 years.
Seems its just a crappy built radiator and rocks and dirt got between the mounts and the core and the suspension did nothing to help so every time I hit corrugations it lost pressure and the temps shot up. So I took it out and sent it to Silverton Radiators. They cleaned it nicely, I also cleaned the intercooler and aircon condenser. I replaced the cap from 0.9 bar to a 1.1 and Reduced the antifreeze mix from a 1:2 to about 1:3 and added a bottle of waterwetter.
Next major job was to close up all the sides because since the body lift there hasn't been any rubbers in to help direct airflow under the hood.
The most crucial one is underneath the radiator where I took a bit of insertion rubber and fixed it at the front just underneath the winch plate and it is free hanging mostly past the read with a few cable ties around the front panhard of the suspension so it always has the maximum amount of gap and least amount of risk getting caught on rocks and it survived Moegatle like that with a lot of flexing so I think its a win.
I removed the bumper and printed a scoop to help force air through the oil cooler.
Now with some short term testing things look great, for the first time ever after the car gets to operating temperatures past 80 degrees it actually cools down below 80 degrees I have never seen that happen. I drove 300km on friday through traffic and lots of hills (was a bit of a cool day) I drove it very hard especially uphill keeping EGT's to about 600 and the maximum water temp I got was 98 degrees.
Now for a GQ on 35" that is very significant.
I think a Snorkel is also going to help a lot. Maybe a nicer turbo aswell but its awesome to be back at an EGT' cap instead of water temperatures.
I have made peace with the car again and do not expect the TD42 issues to disappear, I knew about the before and would probably still have gone the same route if I knew then what I know now.
I don't think I will ever be able to tow 4 ton while on 35" tires 120km/h up a hill without having to worry about the madman. Considering all the options including my driving enthusiasm I cannot think of another vehicle that will handle me like this car does.
I have made peace that I might be in unfortunate circumstances again just as I have been in the past because of the cars age and well... my driving enthusiasm but I am as well prepared to handle them as I think I can possibly be and will definitely invest in a satellite phone before my next solo vehicle trip. We did have a satellite phone on this trip just in case but luckily didn't need it.
I am very fortunate to know people close to me that can come and assist me in such situations and a great forum of guys who have helped many in such circumstances. I am also on that list to help if anyone needs it.
If you want a car that is no fuss, get in, go do these things and go to work the next day it would be a newish unmolested 4.8 auto. 250 000km or less
But that's not me, I have seriously considered getting a GU but..... there might be a chopped GQ in the future.
What ugly piece of car can go from:
To This:
BTW it did make it up Koos se Klim:
Some Awesome picks from Peter Connan, Desmond Meyburgh and Chris Vercail.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Tijmen, dankie weereens dat jy jou 'verhaal' deel
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Tijmen, again I have enjoyed your tales of ups and downs with your koolstoof. You are a remarkable man.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Awesome fotos Tijmen, en ek salueer jou vermoe om 'n plan te maak en jou uithouvermoe!
Ek het nie besef jy het soveel probleme gehad op die trip nie. Ek verstaan nou hoekom jy so negatief was. Maar die ding met 'n GQ is, as jy dink jy wil hom dalk verkoop, moenie 'n baie tegnise en moeilike roete soos Moegatle gaan ry nie, want dan klim hy net weer terug in jou hart.
Aan die ander kant is ek baie bly oor jou vordering met die ketel-probleem. Dit gee my hoop.
Ek het nie besef jy het soveel probleme gehad op die trip nie. Ek verstaan nou hoekom jy so negatief was. Maar die ding met 'n GQ is, as jy dink jy wil hom dalk verkoop, moenie 'n baie tegnise en moeilike roete soos Moegatle gaan ry nie, want dan klim hy net weer terug in jou hart.
Aan die ander kant is ek baie bly oor jou vordering met die ketel-probleem. Dit gee my hoop.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Baie dankie
Dit is waar. Ek het rerag mooi gedink oor die sake en die engine is net n sucker vir punishment. Hy veroorsaak sy eie stryd maar druk altyd deur. Ek het al n paar duisend kilos gery op 105 water en 600 egt’s en hy vat dit. Terwyl hy besig was om so swaar te ry het hy dit op helfde van die olie gedoen.
Ek dink ek het die los konneksie gekry wat gekeer het dat hy nie wou start by daai axle twister waar ek vas gehak het by moegatle. Sênou hy wou nie start nie het ons hom gesleep waar dit gelyk was, ek sou krag op die solenoid gesit het en ons sou hom aan die brand gesleep het, sou die dag klaar gemaak het en huistoe gery het sonder n probleem.
Die engine dophou is n job maar hy doen sy ding.
Dan dink ek aan die cummins 6bt, bmw motor of n ls v8
Bitter stadig maar sterk of baie drade of baie drade waaraan ek niks aan die 2/3 kan doen as hulle iets oor kom nie. En die enigte cummins conversion wat ek al self gesien het sou dit beter gewees het om n stoom engine in te sit dan het hy tenminste gekook want hy moes. Hy kook so dat n TD42 Maar net lou water maak.
So neewat. Ek het weer moed vir die kar. Speel gaan ons speel.
Side note:
Ek het n Iveco daily oorweeg vir lang termyn goal toe lees ek op die forums “I have owned a 80 series and Defender, the Daily is definitely the most capable vehicle I have owned but also the most unreliable”
En vir R700 000 vir n 79 V8 cruiser kan ek nie bou wat ek nou in n 20 jaar oue Patrol het nie. Hulle engine is flippen nice. Underpowered v8 wat so te nie nie kan warm word nie en nie egt’s van 400 sien nie klink vie my reg. Maar drivetrain kani 35” hanteer nie, geen flex wat actually gevaarlik is al het hy lockers. Baie vinnig top heavy en val om. Geen coils agter en die bladvere hak orals.
So daar is hoop.
Dit is waar. Ek het rerag mooi gedink oor die sake en die engine is net n sucker vir punishment. Hy veroorsaak sy eie stryd maar druk altyd deur. Ek het al n paar duisend kilos gery op 105 water en 600 egt’s en hy vat dit. Terwyl hy besig was om so swaar te ry het hy dit op helfde van die olie gedoen.
Ek dink ek het die los konneksie gekry wat gekeer het dat hy nie wou start by daai axle twister waar ek vas gehak het by moegatle. Sênou hy wou nie start nie het ons hom gesleep waar dit gelyk was, ek sou krag op die solenoid gesit het en ons sou hom aan die brand gesleep het, sou die dag klaar gemaak het en huistoe gery het sonder n probleem.
Die engine dophou is n job maar hy doen sy ding.
Dan dink ek aan die cummins 6bt, bmw motor of n ls v8
Bitter stadig maar sterk of baie drade of baie drade waaraan ek niks aan die 2/3 kan doen as hulle iets oor kom nie. En die enigte cummins conversion wat ek al self gesien het sou dit beter gewees het om n stoom engine in te sit dan het hy tenminste gekook want hy moes. Hy kook so dat n TD42 Maar net lou water maak.
So neewat. Ek het weer moed vir die kar. Speel gaan ons speel.
Side note:
Ek het n Iveco daily oorweeg vir lang termyn goal toe lees ek op die forums “I have owned a 80 series and Defender, the Daily is definitely the most capable vehicle I have owned but also the most unreliable”
En vir R700 000 vir n 79 V8 cruiser kan ek nie bou wat ek nou in n 20 jaar oue Patrol het nie. Hulle engine is flippen nice. Underpowered v8 wat so te nie nie kan warm word nie en nie egt’s van 400 sien nie klink vie my reg. Maar drivetrain kani 35” hanteer nie, geen flex wat actually gevaarlik is al het hy lockers. Baie vinnig top heavy en val om. Geen coils agter en die bladvere hak orals.
So daar is hoop.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Jy weet die seker, maar na my mening is die GQ body-shape op 'n mespunt in terme van enjin temperatuur beheer met enige van die groot enjins.
Myne se TB42 is dood aan 'n gekraakte head as gevolg van baie kere se oorverhitting. Goed, ek glo deel daarvan is as gevolg van 'n gebrek aan onderhoud en meeste van die skade is gedoen lank voor ek hom gekry het, maar ten spyte van baie liefde en arbeid kon ek hom nooit so kry dat ek kon ry sonder agting na die temperatuur nie.
Ek kon ook nie die 4.5 wat op hom gevolg het koel hou nie, ten spyte dat die enjin heeltemal skoon was in die waterkanale en 'n nuwe radiator, fan, fan shroud, viscous, condensor en nuwe covers langs die enjin bay nie.
So ek dink daar is 'n aerodinamika-probleem met die ontwerp, of bloot nie genoeg plek vir verkoelers nie.
Maar daar is na my mening nie regtig iets anders op die mark wat nie net sulke ernstige kompromie op ander gebiede het nie.
Myne se TB42 is dood aan 'n gekraakte head as gevolg van baie kere se oorverhitting. Goed, ek glo deel daarvan is as gevolg van 'n gebrek aan onderhoud en meeste van die skade is gedoen lank voor ek hom gekry het, maar ten spyte van baie liefde en arbeid kon ek hom nooit so kry dat ek kon ry sonder agting na die temperatuur nie.
Ek kon ook nie die 4.5 wat op hom gevolg het koel hou nie, ten spyte dat die enjin heeltemal skoon was in die waterkanale en 'n nuwe radiator, fan, fan shroud, viscous, condensor en nuwe covers langs die enjin bay nie.
So ek dink daar is 'n aerodinamika-probleem met die ontwerp, of bloot nie genoeg plek vir verkoelers nie.
Maar daar is na my mening nie regtig iets anders op die mark wat nie net sulke ernstige kompromie op ander gebiede het nie.
Mag ons ons kenniskry met lekkerkry aanhoukry.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Hoe verskil die safari se front ent met verkoeling area vs die gq?Peter Connan wrote:Jy weet die seker, maar na my mening is die GQ body-shape op 'n mespunt in terme van enjin temperatuur beheer met enige van die groot enjins.
Myne se TB42 is dood aan 'n gekraakte head as gevolg van baie kere se oorverhitting. Goed, ek glo deel daarvan is as gevolg van 'n gebrek aan onderhoud en meeste van die skade is gedoen lank voor ek hom gekry het, maar ten spyte van baie liefde en arbeid kon ek hom nooit so kry dat ek kon ry sonder agting na die temperatuur nie.
Ek kon ook nie die 4.5 wat op hom gevolg het koel hou nie, ten spyte dat die enjin heeltemal skoon was in die waterkanale en 'n nuwe radiator, fan, fan shroud, viscous, condensor en nuwe covers langs die enjin bay nie.
So ek dink daar is 'n aerodinamika-probleem met die ontwerp, of bloot nie genoeg plek vir verkoelers nie.
Maar daar is na my mening nie regtig iets anders op die mark wat nie net sulke ernstige kompromie op ander gebiede het nie.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Ek weet ongelukkig nie. Nog nooit so nwby gekyk nie.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
So with lockdown being fun and all I surprisingly didn't work a lot on my car. So post initial lockdown I did get into a few projects.
First up was some repairs. The rubbers protecting the rear bushes on the brakes needed replacing, while replacing them I noticed something didnt look right with the top trailing arms hoding the diff. I had snapped 1 of the TOP trailing arms Don't ask me how but up to date I managed to break each component holding my rear diff to the car.
Next was Rocksliders. I went with Peter's approach to body mount them instead of chassis mount. Lots of many reasons why and Time will tell (Possibly a few big boulders aswell)
Lastly was a project I wanted to do for 4 years now but never had the courage to tackle it and that was to mount an additional aircon compressor to turn into a aircompressor for tyres and the airhorn.
I was actually quicker to fit the compressor than to build rocksliders. It was only possible because I had previously done the 50mm body lift. It is running of the open groove on the alternator and I used a belt from BMG that is adjustable to any length by adding or removing links just like a chain. If it lasts a year then I will replace the front pulley with a larger one for a bit more airflow. I also used braided hose up to the tank. The connect it fitting type hoses did not last 2 minutes with the heat. It is also coupled to a regular compressor pressure switch with a light on my dash so I know if something is wrong and it doesn't turn off because it starts up with the engine and maintains pressure permanently.
First up was some repairs. The rubbers protecting the rear bushes on the brakes needed replacing, while replacing them I noticed something didnt look right with the top trailing arms hoding the diff. I had snapped 1 of the TOP trailing arms Don't ask me how but up to date I managed to break each component holding my rear diff to the car.
Next was Rocksliders. I went with Peter's approach to body mount them instead of chassis mount. Lots of many reasons why and Time will tell (Possibly a few big boulders aswell)
Lastly was a project I wanted to do for 4 years now but never had the courage to tackle it and that was to mount an additional aircon compressor to turn into a aircompressor for tyres and the airhorn.
I was actually quicker to fit the compressor than to build rocksliders. It was only possible because I had previously done the 50mm body lift. It is running of the open groove on the alternator and I used a belt from BMG that is adjustable to any length by adding or removing links just like a chain. If it lasts a year then I will replace the front pulley with a larger one for a bit more airflow. I also used braided hose up to the tank. The connect it fitting type hoses did not last 2 minutes with the heat. It is also coupled to a regular compressor pressure switch with a light on my dash so I know if something is wrong and it doesn't turn off because it starts up with the engine and maintains pressure permanently.
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Re: My KoolStoof, so oud soos Ek (TD42-Ti GQ 1997)
Spogerig ou!!!
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