LAZARUS is DEAD!

[JG Shields]

Oom Mac, vir wat dit werd is...onthou dat jou gewone voertuig versekering waterskade via brandstof dek net soos water wat deur 'n lugfilter ingesuig was. Jy kan 'n eis teen jou gewone polis instel. As jy die skade kan bewys moet hulle jou dan betaal en hulle sal dan die geveg met Engen verder voer. Die probleem is wel dat die skade bewys moet word en dat die eis binne 'n sekere tyd ingestel moet wees. Hulle gaan ook nie die eis betaal as die enjin reeds toegemaak is nie. Hulle sal 'n assessor wil stuur om te ondersoek.

[Kagiso II]

eisjjjjjj - dankie - Wys jou, mens raak'ie te oud om te leer nie. Dankie JG. Hoop nou net daar het nie te veel tyd verlore gegaan nie...

[KOOS BEST]

Ons gaan self einde van die week vir 10 dae Mapungupbe en Tuli toe. .

Ons verwag n trip report en baie kiekies, n VOLLEDIGE REPORT NIKS ANDERS NIE!!!!!!!!

[dieselfan]

Hi JG

Just to comment on your opinion about the D3 lowering at 45 over sand...the D3 has IRS and IFS, looking at Patrol WHY is it the the front and rear diffs don't line up like a LC? Surely the Diff's are low too for a Patrol and would cause issues with Middle Mannetjies? The LC has the diffs neatly on the side.

Cheers

[dieselfan]

As for the engine fire, we had a Sani catch fire

- Tape deck stopped playing...
- +-5km later smoke through airvents
- I pulled over right outside Tembisa on the Olifants road
- I popped the bonnet flames shot up, told fam to back off (I was 20 at the time...)
- I grabbed the bottles of cooldrink we had as it was my boets Bday and started dowsing the flames

Electrics etc and fuel lines were melted all the way to fuel tank. Nissan took 4 months to rewire but in the end car was hopeless

Cause of fire? My dad had checked oil at a petrol station and they forgot to put oil cap back on. Oil splashed around shorted the battery, alternator cause more issues.

ALWAYS check oil cap,

I must say with my last 4 diesel vehicles I NEVER EVER check oil and the one is on 260k km since new. new cars have made me lazy.

[Peter Connan]

Hi JG

Just to comment on your opinion about the D3 lowering at 45 over sand...the D3 has IRS and IFS, looking at Patrol WHY is it the the front and rear diffs don't line up like a LC? Surely the Diff's are low too for a Patrol and would cause issues with Middle Mannetjies? The LC has the diffs neatly on the side.

Dieselfan this is what those sandy roads look like:

Paaie 2 - Pumba byt stof.JPG (68.29 KiB) Viewed 1769 times

The sand from the tracks pile up just next to the tracks, and there is actually a hollow in the middle.
Cars with both diffs on the side actually struggle more under these conditions.

The other thing you need to consider is that while ground clearance is only measured in one spot under a car, under conditions like this that is not the only place that may cause problems.

On paper a Pajero has more ground clearance than a Patrol, but anybody who has ever been on a rough trail where both these were present will tell you that the Pajero dragged everywhere while the Patrol almost never touched. This is because cars like the Pajero and D3/4 have virtually flat bottoms, but on the Patrol the diff pumkin is lowest, and every other part of the car has 75-100mm more ground clearance.

[JG Shields]

Dieselfan, I can not comment on the position of the diff pumpkin relative to the front and reas diffs of the Patrol vs LC. Only the design engineers will be able to answer that question. What I do know is that the solid diffs makes driving in deep sand (other than dunes where the "road" profile/surface remains fairly constant) tracks such as northern Botswana much easier than independent suspensions. As for the picture above of Jaco's Hilux, the problem with his IFS lies in the bulldozing effect of the IFS of the sand. Once a little bit of sand starts to accumilate in front of the suspension, your trouble is booked.

In my view a contributing factor to the problem lies in the fact that the entire middle portion of the suspension lowers (variable ground clearance of the suspension) under load and bumby conditions such as these sand tracks. A solid axle ground clearance remains constant. The D3/4 is the same than any other independent suspension vehicle although it has the option of a raised suspension to compensate for this problem. In fact it works very well since the suspension's ground clearance remains fairly high which makes driving in sand a pleasure. Unfortunately it is limited to a maximum speed before it lowers itself. The design is good but the practicality of the speed limit is stupid. We all know that the D3/4's "mommy goes shopping" mode/profile is very low. When the D3/4 is used in the "mgs" mode in sand, the belly becomes a road grader.

[dieselfan]

Thanks for the replies, has the patrol had any issues with middle mannetjie - honestly tho? Talking stock heights ie normal profile tyres.

[JoseM]

Thanks for the replies, has the patrol had any issues with middle mannetjie - honestly tho? Talking stock heights ie normal profile tyres.

I dont remember that far back (stock tires and height) Sorry, just joking