This is a good buy , with low kilo's.
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Patrol 3.0TD, is it really THAT bad?
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Re: Patrol 3.0TD, is it really THAT bad?
Nooooooooooooo !!!!!! please dont even THINK on tjhat thing -- it is a FRAUD ad [I m trying the mag to remove it but they diont read thier e-mails...]
This vehicle is "In the U K but too expensive to register there, so he wants to sell it in SA as it is SA registered -- BUT you must pay a shipping company [which does not exist] en nog klopm anner stront kwt te raak -- dis 'n BEDROGSPUL .. bly WEG - asseblief
Op WEGRY Forum het ek dit uitgewys:
Skelm Bl*** en Bedrog - WAARSKUWING
So net nadat Brutus in die ongeluk afgskryf was, het ek woes deur die webblaaie geblaai opsoek na "Bakkie nommer 2"
Kom ek di eabsolute winskoop af van 'n Toyota HiLux teen 1/2 prys.
Doen navraag, toe sit die antie eienaar oorsee, die bakkie ook, ek moet 50% deposito aan 'n "Shippng Co" gee - en dan lewer hulle die kar en as ek tevrede is betaal ek die res ... Genadiglik kry ek snuf in die neus, en ontdek toe dis 'n bedrogspul .. ek sou baie geld kwyt en sonder Tyotta gewees het ...
Sowaar, laasweek navraag ek 'n Terrano II met slegs 63 000 km op [abolute droom] en die prys is omtrent inni kol...
Hier na volg daar 3 posse van hoe lyk so 'n bedrogspul -- waarsku tog julle vriende en familie, asseblief. [Veral ouer mense kan nogal "gullible" wees.
i there,
I know that when buying online the best option is to see the vehicle before you pay. I had the same ideas before using GboFreight-Ltd. They work as a third party which will hold the money until you receive and check the car.A deposit is required because I am sending you my car with all the documents you need to transfer it on your name, so it won't be safe for me, I hope you understand. GboFreight-Ltd will hold the deposit until the car is in your possession. After you decide to keep it, you will pay the rest of the amount... I will only get the money after you have already transferred the car on your name. I think that this is a fair deal...
The company policy is to deposit at least half of the declared value before shipping starts. As soon as the company receives from you 50% of the total amount you have to pay, the package will be delivered to you.
Thank you !
Hello,
I will try to explain how everything works in a few lines.
A. First of all I will need you to forward me your exact delivery details : full name,full address,city,zip code,country,and a valid phone no.
1. After I receive your shipping info, I will forward them to the shipping company as the intended receiver.
2. The delivery company conducts a pre-buy inspection with one of their partners services,and they take full responsibility regarding the inspection of the vehicle ,and if anything is as not described or listed,you will get a full refund with no question asked.
B. You will receive a notification from the shipping service as a confirmation that the vehicle has been tested and that it is in their custody,ready for dispatch.A report will be attached along with their official invoices (containing all details about payment and shipping details).
1. After that, you will have to send the payment to their agents details .Again,I have paid for the delivery fees,so the price you will pay is the one listed by me ,nothing more extra.
2. The shipping service will verify the transfer, and if everything is in order, then the delivery will start.The car will not be driven ,it will be brought by a trailer.
3. After you will receive the car and you will be completely satisfied with it, you will instruct the agent with your decision within 7 working days(the time you will have to inspect the vehicle after you have received it) .Depending on your final answer ,they will then forward or not the money to me.
C. If by any reason, you will not be satisfied with the car, you will return it to the delivery company with no expense.Any damaged or returned unit will be either replaced or refunded.
So if everything is alright,then forward me your delivery details and we will soon start the transaction.
Thank you !
This vehicle is "In the U K but too expensive to register there, so he wants to sell it in SA as it is SA registered -- BUT you must pay a shipping company [which does not exist] en nog klopm anner stront kwt te raak -- dis 'n BEDROGSPUL .. bly WEG - asseblief
Op WEGRY Forum het ek dit uitgewys:
Skelm Bl*** en Bedrog - WAARSKUWING
So net nadat Brutus in die ongeluk afgskryf was, het ek woes deur die webblaaie geblaai opsoek na "Bakkie nommer 2"
Kom ek di eabsolute winskoop af van 'n Toyota HiLux teen 1/2 prys.
Doen navraag, toe sit die antie eienaar oorsee, die bakkie ook, ek moet 50% deposito aan 'n "Shippng Co" gee - en dan lewer hulle die kar en as ek tevrede is betaal ek die res ... Genadiglik kry ek snuf in die neus, en ontdek toe dis 'n bedrogspul .. ek sou baie geld kwyt en sonder Tyotta gewees het ...
Sowaar, laasweek navraag ek 'n Terrano II met slegs 63 000 km op [abolute droom] en die prys is omtrent inni kol...
Hier na volg daar 3 posse van hoe lyk so 'n bedrogspul -- waarsku tog julle vriende en familie, asseblief. [Veral ouer mense kan nogal "gullible" wees.
i there,
I know that when buying online the best option is to see the vehicle before you pay. I had the same ideas before using GboFreight-Ltd. They work as a third party which will hold the money until you receive and check the car.A deposit is required because I am sending you my car with all the documents you need to transfer it on your name, so it won't be safe for me, I hope you understand. GboFreight-Ltd will hold the deposit until the car is in your possession. After you decide to keep it, you will pay the rest of the amount... I will only get the money after you have already transferred the car on your name. I think that this is a fair deal...
The company policy is to deposit at least half of the declared value before shipping starts. As soon as the company receives from you 50% of the total amount you have to pay, the package will be delivered to you.
Thank you !
Hello,
I will try to explain how everything works in a few lines.
A. First of all I will need you to forward me your exact delivery details : full name,full address,city,zip code,country,and a valid phone no.
1. After I receive your shipping info, I will forward them to the shipping company as the intended receiver.
2. The delivery company conducts a pre-buy inspection with one of their partners services,and they take full responsibility regarding the inspection of the vehicle ,and if anything is as not described or listed,you will get a full refund with no question asked.
B. You will receive a notification from the shipping service as a confirmation that the vehicle has been tested and that it is in their custody,ready for dispatch.A report will be attached along with their official invoices (containing all details about payment and shipping details).
1. After that, you will have to send the payment to their agents details .Again,I have paid for the delivery fees,so the price you will pay is the one listed by me ,nothing more extra.
2. The shipping service will verify the transfer, and if everything is in order, then the delivery will start.The car will not be driven ,it will be brought by a trailer.
3. After you will receive the car and you will be completely satisfied with it, you will instruct the agent with your decision within 7 working days(the time you will have to inspect the vehicle after you have received it) .Depending on your final answer ,they will then forward or not the money to me.
C. If by any reason, you will not be satisfied with the car, you will return it to the delivery company with no expense.Any damaged or returned unit will be either replaced or refunded.
So if everything is alright,then forward me your delivery details and we will soon start the transaction.
Thank you !
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Re: Patrol 3.0TD, is it really THAT bad?
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Re: Patrol 3.0TD, is it really THAT bad?
Seems Nissan started upgrading to the bigger sump in the patrol in 2000 already according to Auzi guys anyway, bit a common problem apparently is using the old style sump that can sometimes be found on other ZD30 variants , look at the pic the old bottom sump was flat and the new one is 32mm deep , geuss who will be underneath his troll tonight measuring
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Re: Patrol 3.0TD, is it really THAT bad?
Now how's this for old thread revival
This is the most complete explanation I have been able to find. And the one that most sense makes. A few of the guys down here have gone with what it is sugested here, and so far so good
Nissan’s ZD30 Patrol has suffered a dismal reputation due to these relatively common issues and I for one believe they haven’t yet been completely resolved. After a number of early failures, Nissan did increase the oil capacity and lower it's viscosity. This seems to have reduced the number of engine failures, or at least given the engines a longer lifespan, so one would assume the problem was oil related. There have been many assumptions of the cause and this is just another one that could be considered.
These engines run relatively high boost levels and as clean diesel engines, they also use high levels of exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). This in turn reduces the amount of NOx released into the atmosphere and enables the vehicles to pass stringent emission standards.
One problem is that the high boost levels create high pressures in the crankcase which in turn pushes reasonable amounts of oil past the crankcase baffle and into the engines intake system. This oil finds its way into the intercooler and eventually into the inlet manifold, where it mixes with EGR gasses to form a thick black greasy substance that restricts the inlet manifold runners. In most cases the runners most affected are the rear ones, which are closest to the EGR valve itself.
Overboosting is fairly common with ZD30 Patrols. Early signs are blowing off intercooler hoses and in many cases the owners simply refit them and tighten them so they can’t blow off again. This can result in the hoses splitting or worst, an intercooler rupture. It’s quite common to see an intercooler leaking oil as a result of overboosting and excessive amounts of oil in the intake system.
The ZD30 engine management system relies on input signals from various engine sensors. The Engine Control Unit (ECU) determines fuel delivery (timing and duration) depending on input signals from the Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF), Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) and engine speed. The volume of air entering the engine determines how much fuel is injected, but the ECU doesn’t monitor or have mixture control over each individual cylinder. The engine lacks an exhaust temperature sensor, so it can’t know if a particular cylinder is being over fuelled or running rich.
As a result of this and the inlet manifold restrictions mentioned above, the front cylinders can run lean and the rear cylinders rich. It’s common knowledge that over fuelling a diesel or running it rich will develop excessive heat and the end result is a melted or cracked piston or cylinder head.
Along with this, MAF sensors are known to give faulty input voltages to the ECU if they become contaminated or insulated against the cool induction air passing through them. I believe this is a result of shutting down a hot engine, where some oily fumes can travel up to the MAF sensor and contaminate it with oil against the normal direction of air flow. A contaminated MAF sending lower voltage signals to the ECU will usually create a lean condition, but the power loss will increase the drivers throttle input which can increase the fuel load and increase high combustion temperatures even further.
The engine does have a boost sensor, but it plays no part in fuel mixture control. The ECU will reduce boost when it gets too high, but this system is very slow to react and boost spikes of up to 25psi are common.
One of the advantages of Variable Geometry Turbochargers, is that they can be controlled electrically using vacuum rather than pressure. The ECU controls a vacuum solenoid using pulse width modulation (PWM) and by rapidly switching it at different pulse widths, it controls how much vacuum gets to the turbocharger’s actuator and in turn how much boost the turbo produces at any given rpm and load. This is very important because it enables the ECU to reduce boost at any time, even under load or when the throttle is partly pushed open.
The ECU can reduce boost to promote maximum EGR flow by reducing intake pressure while opening the EGR valve with the throttle pushed open under light load conditions. This forces more exhaust gas into the inlet manifold and combustion chambers, which in turn reduces peak combustion temperatures and NOx emissions. When this happens, EGT’s rise because there is less cool oxygen enriched air entering the combustion chambers and more hot exhaust gas, further increasing exhaust temperatures.
Any combination of the conditions mentioned above can cause an engine failure due to excessive combustion temperatures, but there are relatively easy and cheap ways of monitoring and controlling these systems. Taking some precautionary measures should reduce the chance of an engine failure or at least prolong the engine’s life. In most cases, modifying an engine or its controls can be risky to say the least, but in this case it’s risky not to.
And the rest of the article
http://www.chaz.yellowfoot.org/zd30_engine_problems.htm

This is the most complete explanation I have been able to find. And the one that most sense makes. A few of the guys down here have gone with what it is sugested here, and so far so good

Nissan’s ZD30 Patrol has suffered a dismal reputation due to these relatively common issues and I for one believe they haven’t yet been completely resolved. After a number of early failures, Nissan did increase the oil capacity and lower it's viscosity. This seems to have reduced the number of engine failures, or at least given the engines a longer lifespan, so one would assume the problem was oil related. There have been many assumptions of the cause and this is just another one that could be considered.
These engines run relatively high boost levels and as clean diesel engines, they also use high levels of exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). This in turn reduces the amount of NOx released into the atmosphere and enables the vehicles to pass stringent emission standards.
One problem is that the high boost levels create high pressures in the crankcase which in turn pushes reasonable amounts of oil past the crankcase baffle and into the engines intake system. This oil finds its way into the intercooler and eventually into the inlet manifold, where it mixes with EGR gasses to form a thick black greasy substance that restricts the inlet manifold runners. In most cases the runners most affected are the rear ones, which are closest to the EGR valve itself.
Overboosting is fairly common with ZD30 Patrols. Early signs are blowing off intercooler hoses and in many cases the owners simply refit them and tighten them so they can’t blow off again. This can result in the hoses splitting or worst, an intercooler rupture. It’s quite common to see an intercooler leaking oil as a result of overboosting and excessive amounts of oil in the intake system.
The ZD30 engine management system relies on input signals from various engine sensors. The Engine Control Unit (ECU) determines fuel delivery (timing and duration) depending on input signals from the Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF), Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) and engine speed. The volume of air entering the engine determines how much fuel is injected, but the ECU doesn’t monitor or have mixture control over each individual cylinder. The engine lacks an exhaust temperature sensor, so it can’t know if a particular cylinder is being over fuelled or running rich.
As a result of this and the inlet manifold restrictions mentioned above, the front cylinders can run lean and the rear cylinders rich. It’s common knowledge that over fuelling a diesel or running it rich will develop excessive heat and the end result is a melted or cracked piston or cylinder head.
Along with this, MAF sensors are known to give faulty input voltages to the ECU if they become contaminated or insulated against the cool induction air passing through them. I believe this is a result of shutting down a hot engine, where some oily fumes can travel up to the MAF sensor and contaminate it with oil against the normal direction of air flow. A contaminated MAF sending lower voltage signals to the ECU will usually create a lean condition, but the power loss will increase the drivers throttle input which can increase the fuel load and increase high combustion temperatures even further.
The engine does have a boost sensor, but it plays no part in fuel mixture control. The ECU will reduce boost when it gets too high, but this system is very slow to react and boost spikes of up to 25psi are common.
One of the advantages of Variable Geometry Turbochargers, is that they can be controlled electrically using vacuum rather than pressure. The ECU controls a vacuum solenoid using pulse width modulation (PWM) and by rapidly switching it at different pulse widths, it controls how much vacuum gets to the turbocharger’s actuator and in turn how much boost the turbo produces at any given rpm and load. This is very important because it enables the ECU to reduce boost at any time, even under load or when the throttle is partly pushed open.
The ECU can reduce boost to promote maximum EGR flow by reducing intake pressure while opening the EGR valve with the throttle pushed open under light load conditions. This forces more exhaust gas into the inlet manifold and combustion chambers, which in turn reduces peak combustion temperatures and NOx emissions. When this happens, EGT’s rise because there is less cool oxygen enriched air entering the combustion chambers and more hot exhaust gas, further increasing exhaust temperatures.
Any combination of the conditions mentioned above can cause an engine failure due to excessive combustion temperatures, but there are relatively easy and cheap ways of monitoring and controlling these systems. Taking some precautionary measures should reduce the chance of an engine failure or at least prolong the engine’s life. In most cases, modifying an engine or its controls can be risky to say the least, but in this case it’s risky not to.
And the rest of the article
http://www.chaz.yellowfoot.org/zd30_engine_problems.htm
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